what we decided was not going to make any difference in egypt. as far as libya, you know, that one, at first like it seemed we got lucky, and gadhafi went down easily, you know, in the last couple of weeks things seem to have turned around there. god only knows what's going to happen in syria. it's much more complex than iraq, and we sit here talking about, oh, the shiites believe that, and we can back the sunnis here and there. this stuff, i can tell you, i spent a lot of time in that part of the world, it doesn't even make sense in that part of the world, relate -- let alone when you're sitting here in foggy bottom. i'm still waiting for my country to rise out and live out the promise of that creed. >> jim wants to interjekyll here. >> i'm sorry. >> and then we'll get right back to you. >> that's what i'm talking about when i discuss humility, the idea that it would even be desirable for us to flip a switch and dictate political outcomes in foreign countries. and we can say, yeah, these are bottom-up revolutions as opposed to -- but you are dea